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	<title>Comments on: Gmail&#8217;s &#8220;turn off buzz&#8221; (still) does not turn off Buzz; here&#8217;s how to really do it</title>
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		<title>By: Charlene M Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.scotxblog.com/legal-tech/gmails-turn-off-buzz-still-does-not-turn-off-buzz-heres-how-to-really-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3315</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlene M Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I no longer want Buzz on my gmail account&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I no longer want Buzz on my gmail account</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Trying to escape from Google Buzz: The Adventure Continues! &#171; Not The User&#8217;s Fault</title>
		<link>http://www.scotxblog.com/legal-tech/gmails-turn-off-buzz-still-does-not-turn-off-buzz-heres-how-to-really-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3146</link>
		<dc:creator>Trying to escape from Google Buzz: The Adventure Continues! &#171; Not The User&#8217;s Fault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] cake of failure, apparently the link at the bottom of GMail that said &#8220;Turn off Buzz&#8221; does not actually turn off Buzz &#8211; it removes the Buzz cruft from the GMail interface, but it leaves you in the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cake of failure, apparently the link at the bottom of GMail that said &#8220;Turn off Buzz&#8221; does not actually turn off Buzz &#8211; it removes the Buzz cruft from the GMail interface, but it leaves you in the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cross-posts: Privacy implications of Google Buzz &#171; Law of the Click</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cross-posts: Privacy implications of Google Buzz &#171; Law of the Click</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] the story developed over the next few days, I posted tips about how to disable Google Buzz (before Google put their own disable button into Gmail) and a personal response to Google&#8217;s [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the story developed over the next few days, I posted tips about how to disable Google Buzz (before Google put their own disable button into Gmail) and a personal response to Google&#8217;s [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mandolin Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandolin Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems the public outcry was heard.  At least now the &quot;Turn off Buzz&quot; link does, in fact, open a window that offers a shiny button (well... a link anyway, but it&#039;s big! And red!)  to completely disable Buzz.  It deletes your Google profile and disconnects all followers, links, etc.  Is that a win? :P&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the public outcry was heard.  At least now the &#8220;Turn off Buzz&#8221; link does, in fact, open a window that offers a shiny button (well&#8230; a link anyway, but it&#8217;s big! And red!)  to completely disable Buzz.  It deletes your Google profile and disconnects all followers, links, etc.  Is that a win? <img src='http://scotxblog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for posting this.  I never got around to getting a gmail account - which I should have - everyone said so.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My concern is my parents whose IT provider had them set up an email account which &quot;takes advantage of the powerful google spam filtering tools&quot;.  While it looks as if the email comes from the IT provider itself i.e. @.com.au, the email does use the gmail servers in some way.  At least that what it looked like I set it up.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They never even look at gmail.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ll be finding out what the situation is here.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this.  I never got around to getting a gmail account &#8211; which I should have &#8211; everyone said so.  </p>

<p>My concern is my parents whose IT provider had them set up an email account which &#8220;takes advantage of the powerful google spam filtering tools&#8221;.  While it looks as if the email comes from the IT provider itself i.e. @.com.au, the email does use the gmail servers in some way.  At least that what it looked like I set it up.   </p>

<p>They never even look at gmail.</p>

<p>We&#8217;ll be finding out what the situation is here.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Google Buzz: Is It a Privacy #FAIL or The Next Best Social Media Tool?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Buzz: Is It a Privacy #FAIL or The Next Best Social Media Tool?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] is an automatic tool &#8212; you&#8217;ll share your contacts whether you are using Buzz or not. As Don Cruse of The Supreme Court of Texas blog points out: &#8220;[Buzz] was folded into Gmail, assimilated your contacts (and email [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is an automatic tool &#8212; you&#8217;ll share your contacts whether you are using Buzz or not. As Don Cruse of The Supreme Court of Texas blog points out: &#8220;[Buzz] was folded into Gmail, assimilated your contacts (and email [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Silvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this useful post. It&#039;s incredible how evil Google was with Buzz. it&#039;s appalling.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this useful post. It&#8217;s incredible how evil Google was with Buzz. it&#8217;s appalling.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Gossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you so much for the instructions on turning off Buzz and stopping up the potential data leaks. I was shocked to learn that Google was so casual with its treatment of customers&#039; personal information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I migrated to Gmail from two other email services (still functional) about a year ago. Now, I am giving serious consideration to terminating Gmail and returning to my previous email services. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the Google help page I did not find any easy way to disable Buzz. By luck I chanced upon your article from an NYT article link. What a life saver. Your instructions were clear and straightforward, even for the technically challenged, such as myself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David Gossen&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for the instructions on turning off Buzz and stopping up the potential data leaks. I was shocked to learn that Google was so casual with its treatment of customers&#8217; personal information.</p>

<p>I migrated to Gmail from two other email services (still functional) about a year ago. Now, I am giving serious consideration to terminating Gmail and returning to my previous email services. </p>

<p>On the Google help page I did not find any easy way to disable Buzz. By luck I chanced upon your article from an NYT article link. What a life saver. Your instructions were clear and straightforward, even for the technically challenged, such as myself.</p>

<p>David Gossen</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Erin:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right that Gmail is free -- but the company benefits economically from your presence and use of the service.   Your rights and Google&#039;s rights are still governed by contract through the terms of use and privacy policy (and relevant regulations, although I don&#039;t know if any of those are in play here).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And you&#039;re right that email has huge security implications.  Even encrypted messages don&#039;t hide the identity of the recipient, for example.  But... lots of people use email for information that is personal to them in their own lives, even if not exactly the level of secrecy of launch codes.  And email has other benefits, such as a limited type of anonymity that benefits bloggers and journalists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where I disagree is the idea that we chose this.  Google had not previously exposed this sort of user information in this way -- especially not with email.  The products affected by Buzz (Gmail, Profiles, Reader, and Picasa) did not work this way before.  Lots of people were very surprised at how the separate social spheres they kept had suddenly and without their consent been mashed together based, in part, on information they thought was totally private (their email patterns).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You say, &quot;you can delete your account and use something else.&quot;  I agree that people should be able to make this choice.  But the chance to acquiesce after is no substitute for our consent before.  With privacy breaches -- where it is frequently impossible to un-ring the bell -- that distinction makes all the difference.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin:</p>

<p>You&#8217;re right that Gmail is free &#8212; but the company benefits economically from your presence and use of the service.   Your rights and Google&#8217;s rights are still governed by contract through the terms of use and privacy policy (and relevant regulations, although I don&#8217;t know if any of those are in play here).</p>

<p>And you&#8217;re right that email has huge security implications.  Even encrypted messages don&#8217;t hide the identity of the recipient, for example.  But&#8230; lots of people use email for information that is personal to them in their own lives, even if not exactly the level of secrecy of launch codes.  And email has other benefits, such as a limited type of anonymity that benefits bloggers and journalists.</p>

<p>Where I disagree is the idea that we chose this.  Google had not previously exposed this sort of user information in this way &#8212; especially not with email.  The products affected by Buzz (Gmail, Profiles, Reader, and Picasa) did not work this way before.  Lots of people were very surprised at how the separate social spheres they kept had suddenly and without their consent been mashed together based, in part, on information they thought was totally private (their email patterns).</p>

<p>You say, &#8220;you can delete your account and use something else.&#8221;  I agree that people should be able to make this choice.  But the chance to acquiesce after is no substitute for our consent before.  With privacy breaches &#8212; where it is frequently impossible to un-ring the bell &#8212; that distinction makes all the difference.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why should there be any expectation of privacy with Gmail? Its a free service offered by Google. Anyone who uses it for truly confidential communications (or ANY free online service for that matter) and expects it to remain confidential is deluding themselves. Even email itself isn&#039;t truly confidential unless it is encrypted end-to-end.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, its disturbing that they decided to connect everyone&#039;s address books without asking, but again, they own the service, its free, and if you don&#039;t like it you can delete your account and use something else.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should there be any expectation of privacy with Gmail? Its a free service offered by Google. Anyone who uses it for truly confidential communications (or ANY free online service for that matter) and expects it to remain confidential is deluding themselves. Even email itself isn&#8217;t truly confidential unless it is encrypted end-to-end.</p>

<p>Sure, its disturbing that they decided to connect everyone&#8217;s address books without asking, but again, they own the service, its free, and if you don&#8217;t like it you can delete your account and use something else.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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