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	<title>Comments on: Google wades into free legal research (for Texas, too!)</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.scotxblog.com/news-and-links/google-wades-into-free-legal-research-for-texas-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3090</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great write up, I too was ecstatic the day the legal portion of Google Scholar went live, but my excitement waned to some degree as I learned its limitations. Its a great &quot;natural language&quot; type of search system, much better in my opinion than Westlaw&#039;s, but it lacks the precision that Westlaw&#039;s &quot;terms and connectors&quot; search has. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I rely on the boolean type search of Westlaw to sift through the abundant caselaw out there to find what I am looking for. I can greatly cut down on the amount of time I spend finding cases if I precisely pick my terms. However, the boolean operators and limiters of Google Scholar, especially the legal portion, are sadly limited, greatly reducing its utility to me. Yes, I can find cases with it, but it generally is slower because of the abundance of cases that come up that aren&#039;t on point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I love the speed of Google&#039;s servers, blindingly fast in comparison to West&#039;s snails. Westlaw continues to raise prices, but their servers are slow as ever. Furthermore, the citation system Google employs is great. Much more intuitive than West&#039;s in my opinion, and very useful. Not perfect, for it lacks the positive/negative treatment categorization, and the degree of discussion, but the snippet of how the case was cited is nice. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, I think West and Lexis certainly have something to worry about, but Google still has some work to do. If you&#039;re listening Google, improve your boolean connectors and limiters, and don&#039;t force me to use your cool stemming technology; sometimes when I search for &quot;behavior&quot; I don&#039;t want to be returned results including &quot;behave.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don:</p>

<p>Great write up, I too was ecstatic the day the legal portion of Google Scholar went live, but my excitement waned to some degree as I learned its limitations. Its a great &#8220;natural language&#8221; type of search system, much better in my opinion than Westlaw&#8217;s, but it lacks the precision that Westlaw&#8217;s &#8220;terms and connectors&#8221; search has. </p>

<p>I rely on the boolean type search of Westlaw to sift through the abundant caselaw out there to find what I am looking for. I can greatly cut down on the amount of time I spend finding cases if I precisely pick my terms. However, the boolean operators and limiters of Google Scholar, especially the legal portion, are sadly limited, greatly reducing its utility to me. Yes, I can find cases with it, but it generally is slower because of the abundance of cases that come up that aren&#8217;t on point.</p>

<p>That said, I love the speed of Google&#8217;s servers, blindingly fast in comparison to West&#8217;s snails. Westlaw continues to raise prices, but their servers are slow as ever. Furthermore, the citation system Google employs is great. Much more intuitive than West&#8217;s in my opinion, and very useful. Not perfect, for it lacks the positive/negative treatment categorization, and the degree of discussion, but the snippet of how the case was cited is nice. </p>

<p>In short, I think West and Lexis certainly have something to worry about, but Google still has some work to do. If you&#8217;re listening Google, improve your boolean connectors and limiters, and don&#8217;t force me to use your cool stemming technology; sometimes when I search for &#8220;behavior&#8221; I don&#8217;t want to be returned results including &#8220;behave.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The plugin is great -- thanks!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plugin is great &#8212; thanks!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After I did some poking around, I saw how Google was marking those page breaks within the text and thought that a plugin like you&#039;re describing would be a great help.  Thanks for writing one and posting the link.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a Mac user, I&#039;d like to see a similar tool for Firefox -- or see Google finally release their Mac version of Chrome.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I did some poking around, I saw how Google was marking those page breaks within the text and thought that a plugin like you&#8217;re describing would be a great help.  Thanks for writing one and posting the link.</p>

<p>As a Mac user, I&#8217;d like to see a similar tool for Firefox &#8212; or see Google finally release their Mac version of Chrome.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Randy Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The page numbers in the margin are highly accurate.  They actually occur somewhere specific within the line on which they are shown.  The only places that I have found them to be different from a physical reporter is where a page break occurs within a word, in which case Google will place the break after the word.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve written an extension for Google Chrome that displays them inline, as star pagination.  If you&#039;re using Chrome, and have enabled extensions, you can use mine to display page numbers inline - http://links.lawstoreapp.com/stars&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The page numbers in the margin are highly accurate.  They actually occur somewhere specific within the line on which they are shown.  The only places that I have found them to be different from a physical reporter is where a page break occurs within a word, in which case Google will place the break after the word.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve written an extension for Google Chrome that displays them inline, as star pagination.  If you&#8217;re using Chrome, and have enabled extensions, you can use mine to display page numbers inline &#8211; <a href="http://links.lawstoreapp.com/stars" rel="nofollow">http://links.lawstoreapp.com/stars</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lauren:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had a chance to try out printing today.  I tried three browsers:  Firefox 3.5, Internet Explorer 7, and Safari 4.  Two of them worked pretty well.  The third... didn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The browser that didn&#039;t work for me was Firefox.  I couldn&#039;t see any page numbers after the first printed page, although they were fine on the screen.  I&#039;m not quite sure why Firefox&#039;s printing engine messed this up -- the page numbers seem to be using pretty standard web formatting (CSS) behind the scenes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google could fix this by having a &quot;print&quot; button that returned a PDF or something pre-formatted.  Or I suppose someone could come up with a Firefox plugin to try to do the work.  In the meantime, this is bad news for Firefox users who like to print their cases out onto paper.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren:</p>

<p>I had a chance to try out printing today.  I tried three browsers:  Firefox 3.5, Internet Explorer 7, and Safari 4.  Two of them worked pretty well.  The third&#8230; didn&#8217;t.</p>

<p>The browser that didn&#8217;t work for me was Firefox.  I couldn&#8217;t see any page numbers after the first printed page, although they were fine on the screen.  I&#8217;m not quite sure why Firefox&#8217;s printing engine messed this up &#8212; the page numbers seem to be using pretty standard web formatting (CSS) behind the scenes.</p>

<p>Google could fix this by having a &#8220;print&#8221; button that returned a PDF or something pre-formatted.  Or I suppose someone could come up with a Firefox plugin to try to do the work.  In the meantime, this is bad news for Firefox users who like to print their cases out onto paper.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this, I&#039;ve already started using it based on your review/instructions.  One small issue that I&#039;ve seen is that the left-hand margin pin cites don&#039;t show up when I print.  I can see them on the screen but not on my print-out.  Also the first line on each page after the first page is cut off.  Any printing tips?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, I&#8217;ve already started using it based on your review/instructions.  One small issue that I&#8217;ve seen is that the left-hand margin pin cites don&#8217;t show up when I print.  I can see them on the screen but not on my print-out.  Also the first line on each page after the first page is cut off.  Any printing tips?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, this tool isn&#039;t smart about statutory citations (at least not yet).  The statutes and rules are not hyperlinked.  Also, the search box doesn&#039;t yet know that &quot;Tex. R. Civ. P.&quot; is the same as &quot;Texas Rule of Civil Procedure.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At least in Texas, there are good ways to get the text of statutes and (most) rules online from the horse&#039;s mouth, so to speak.  I tend to go directly to the Legislature&#039;s website to find statutory language.  Their format is not perfect, but it&#039;s easier for me to work with than the way the paid publishers dice up the statutes.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>

<p>No, this tool isn&#8217;t smart about statutory citations (at least not yet).  The statutes and rules are not hyperlinked.  Also, the search box doesn&#8217;t yet know that &#8220;Tex. R. Civ. P.&#8221; is the same as &#8220;Texas Rule of Civil Procedure.&#8221;</p>

<p>At least in Texas, there are good ways to get the text of statutes and (most) rules online from the horse&#8217;s mouth, so to speak.  I tend to go directly to the Legislature&#8217;s website to find statutory language.  Their format is not perfect, but it&#8217;s easier for me to work with than the way the paid publishers dice up the statutes.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lily:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The cases I have worked with show a page number in the left-hand margin corresponding to the reporter page breaks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m told that this is very close to accurate -- there might be times where it&#039;s off by a few words.  If your quote starts or stops exactly on that line, you might need more precision.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you seeing something different on the cases you&#039;ve looked at?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lily:</p>

<p>The cases I have worked with show a page number in the left-hand margin corresponding to the reporter page breaks.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m told that this is very close to accurate &#8212; there might be times where it&#8217;s off by a few words.  If your quote starts or stops exactly on that line, you might need more precision.</p>

<p>Are you seeing something different on the cases you&#8217;ve looked at?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like there are no pages within opinions, so it would be impossible to do pin cites (unless I&#039;m missing something).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like there are no pages within opinions, so it would be impossible to do pin cites (unless I&#8217;m missing something).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So is there a way to use Google for statutes and administrative stuff? As a law student I have access to those things now, but Google seems much more capable of creating a user-friendly search algorithm. I think I hate Westlaw and Lexis. They are just far too formulaic to be used quickly, especially when starting out. If a search engine requires that I learn a bunch of rules and methods before doing a basic search, I consider that a fault of the search engine. I want a search that does my job for me, dad gum it!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is there a way to use Google for statutes and administrative stuff? As a law student I have access to those things now, but Google seems much more capable of creating a user-friendly search algorithm. I think I hate Westlaw and Lexis. They are just far too formulaic to be used quickly, especially when starting out. If a search engine requires that I learn a bunch of rules and methods before doing a basic search, I consider that a fault of the search engine. I want a search that does my job for me, dad gum it!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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