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	<title>Comments on: The Proposed Appellate Rule Changes and Oral Argument</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff N.</title>
		<link>http://www.scotxblog.com/practice-notes/the-proposed-appellate-rule-changes-and-oral-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No doubt that advocates should do more work to prepare for argument, but the trend to fewer arguments has been bad for the interests of justice.  People (litigants, not lawyers) who bring appeals to Texas courts have a right to expect a day in court instead of an invisible process they can&#039;t understand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From the Court&#039;s perspective, I think the decisional process is aided by argument in many cases.  In most cases the briefs don&#039;t do a perfect job of explaining the facts or even the law.  A candid oral argument is a chance for the court and the advocates to all get on the same page about confusing aspects of the case on appeal.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In particular, oral argument can help the decisional process in cases where:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The underlying case is procedurally complex and questions would allow the Court to know which parts of the procedural history are important.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The advocates have sharply differing views on the proper framing of the legal arguments, and questions would allow the Court to test the framing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The factual accounts are sharply contrasting, and questions would allow the Court to determine if the facts have been misstated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I think the quality of appellate advocacy increases when there is more interaction between Courts and lawyers, and hope the new rule achieves more and better arguments, which I believe is its intended effect.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt that advocates should do more work to prepare for argument, but the trend to fewer arguments has been bad for the interests of justice.  People (litigants, not lawyers) who bring appeals to Texas courts have a right to expect a day in court instead of an invisible process they can&#8217;t understand.</p>

<p>From the Court&#8217;s perspective, I think the decisional process is aided by argument in many cases.  In most cases the briefs don&#8217;t do a perfect job of explaining the facts or even the law.  A candid oral argument is a chance for the court and the advocates to all get on the same page about confusing aspects of the case on appeal.  </p>

<p>In particular, oral argument can help the decisional process in cases where:</p>

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<li><p>The underlying case is procedurally complex and questions would allow the Court to know which parts of the procedural history are important.</p></li>
<li><p>The advocates have sharply differing views on the proper framing of the legal arguments, and questions would allow the Court to test the framing.</p></li>
<li><p>The factual accounts are sharply contrasting, and questions would allow the Court to determine if the facts have been misstated.</p></li>
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<p>I think the quality of appellate advocacy increases when there is more interaction between Courts and lawyers, and hope the new rule achieves more and better arguments, which I believe is its intended effect.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judges at CLEs routinely say that oral argument never or almost never changes the outcome of a case.   I suspect that&#039;s more a measure of the quality of argument than the predetermined nature of the outcome.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My personal view is that an argument that does nothing but summarize the main points of the brief in a pretty way is a waste of everyone&#039;s time (even if a more entertaining waste than the same speech poorly delivered).  You can get that from five minutes spent with the brief instead of twenty minutes of argument.  An oral argument has to go beyond that to actually help the court.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The previous Anonymous poster suggests that appellate courts are more inclined to grant argument to &quot;well known appellate advocates&quot; because the court has more confidence that the argument might actually be useful, instead of an exercise in frustration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is some truth to that, although I would say that I have seen a few &quot;well known&quot; advocates give unhelpful arguments and many entirely unknown ones give helpful arguments.   Perhaps a good TRAP 38.1(e) statement is a chance for a less-known advocate to demonstrate that he or she would be focusing  an oral argument on the kinds of things helpful to the court.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CLE topic for next year:  &quot;How To Write a TRAP 38.1(e) Statement That Shows You Aren&#039;t Going To Hector the Court for Twenty Minutes&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges at CLEs routinely say that oral argument never or almost never changes the outcome of a case.   I suspect that&#8217;s more a measure of the quality of argument than the predetermined nature of the outcome.</p>

<p>My personal view is that an argument that does nothing but summarize the main points of the brief in a pretty way is a waste of everyone&#8217;s time (even if a more entertaining waste than the same speech poorly delivered).  You can get that from five minutes spent with the brief instead of twenty minutes of argument.  An oral argument has to go beyond that to actually help the court.</p>

<p>The previous Anonymous poster suggests that appellate courts are more inclined to grant argument to &#8220;well known appellate advocates&#8221; because the court has more confidence that the argument might actually be useful, instead of an exercise in frustration.</p>

<p>There is some truth to that, although I would say that I have seen a few &#8220;well known&#8221; advocates give unhelpful arguments and many entirely unknown ones give helpful arguments.   Perhaps a good TRAP 38.1(e) statement is a chance for a less-known advocate to demonstrate that he or she would be focusing  an oral argument on the kinds of things helpful to the court.</p>

<p>CLE topic for next year:  &#8220;How To Write a TRAP 38.1(e) Statement That Shows You Aren&#8217;t Going To Hector the Court for Twenty Minutes&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t help but think oral argument is only granted for well known appellate advocates. Itâ€™s not that I think they do anything improper, but that the judges donâ€™t want to sit through a laborious butchering of 15-45 minutes. It is probably a good thing that they donâ€™t give out reasons because otherwise the reasons would go something like this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;â€œRequest for oral argument denied because the court can plainly see from the briefing that counsel for the appellee is a total %^&amp;*head. While we would prefer an opportunity to examine these issues in a fair and reasoned way, we simply couldnâ€™t tolerate sitting through the unbearable torture of another unprepared attorney with an inelegant argument.â€&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I suppose under the new rules, my explanation will go something like this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;â€œRespondent requests oral argument because respondentâ€™s counsel is well prepared and agrees to avoid name calling, story telling (unless short and appropriate), and stuttering on about abstract philosophical ideals that were never raised in the trial court.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, and it would aid the court.â€&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but think oral argument is only granted for well known appellate advocates. Itâ€™s not that I think they do anything improper, but that the judges donâ€™t want to sit through a laborious butchering of 15-45 minutes. It is probably a good thing that they donâ€™t give out reasons because otherwise the reasons would go something like this:</p>

<p>â€œRequest for oral argument denied because the court can plainly see from the briefing that counsel for the appellee is a total %^&amp;*head. While we would prefer an opportunity to examine these issues in a fair and reasoned way, we simply couldnâ€™t tolerate sitting through the unbearable torture of another unprepared attorney with an inelegant argument.â€</p>

<p>So I suppose under the new rules, my explanation will go something like this:</p>

<p>â€œRespondent requests oral argument because respondentâ€™s counsel is well prepared and agrees to avoid name calling, story telling (unless short and appropriate), and stuttering on about abstract philosophical ideals that were never raised in the trial court.</p>

<p>Oh, and it would aid the court.â€</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: D. Todd Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Todd Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for adding to the discussion, Don.  I wanted to write a more in-depth post about the new rules, but time just wouldn&#039;t allow it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for adding to the discussion, Don.  I wanted to write a more in-depth post about the new rules, but time just wouldn&#8217;t allow it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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